Can I use a font to make CU products to give away?

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Can I use a font to make CU products to give away?

Ok, so I have read and reread the EULA over at Adobe, and it seems to me as long as you use their fonts (in my case the ones that came with Adobe Photoshop) by embedding them in a document for preview and print, you can use them commercially. In other words, as long as I use them to make a element or alpha then turned into .png or .jpg file where no one can actually grab and alter the font itself, I am safe to use it commercially. I have also read the EULA's for some fontsquirrel fonts that can be used commercially, and I also have some of Kevin and Amanda's fonts that I can use commercially (as long as you have her button on your website, you can use them commercially). However, this is my question. I have recently decided to make kits, elements, and alphas that are commercial use, but it doesn't say how to liscence the designs that you make from the fonts. I always assume that if you use something that is commercial use, you have to liscence it as personal use. In the digital scrapbooking community, if you can liscence something as commercial use, then it is actually cu4cu. Can you use these same fonts to make a kit, element, or alpha, then give it away as cu? Its a little confusing, but I wanna do the right thing! Any info on this would be greatly appreciated, and also correct me if I am wrong about any of this:) Thanks...

I could be wrong but my interpretation for fonts, unless specifically mentioned for cu4cu, would be that you could create a CU alpha (like this one: Cutout Alpha - Sans Serif by Marisa) as long as it is embedded and the person cannot alter the font. So if I understand it correctly, as long as the layer with the letter is changed from a text layer to a shape or rasterized or something then I would think it would be okay.

@Dawn, that's what I was thinking:) Thanks for the input!

That's my interpretation too, Dawn. Although it is mostly just a wild guess, because there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what exactly is 'commercial use'. But I guess as long as you don't resell the actual font, you're safe...

With some fonts I've found online through (actual font designers) some don't have any pu or cu terms in their font nor noted in file folder when un-zipped and by SIL terms if there is neither then technically they gave it away as free with no terms/no agreement in how to use, you'd be free to do whatever.

I've wondered on that as well. I have tried to only download ones that are public/cu, just because i wanted to error on the cautious side. Thanks for the question and thoughts.

I know sites like dafont as popular as it is now, being one of the longest user/down loaders of their fonts on their website, I can actually say I know some font types that don't have the pu/cu nor is their any info on the author to be found but on the FAQ. Are all the fonts free of charge?

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If no author/licence is indicated that's because we don't have information, that doesn't mean it's free.

which makes no sense unless the font was copied or thier policy is loose to anyone can apply but the best way to check if so would be in the font info/credit when you load your font into c: drive/font folder and if absolutely no credit in the font, website nor zip download, I would not worry about it, it's the hosting site to figure that stuff out (imo) before throwing out the font or stick with the SIL terms.

The way that I understand it is this (and it sounds right to me, BUT I am not a lawyer, so I could be wrong smiley ) :
You've purchased the CU rights to a font (or it's inherently a CU font) and you use it to make a piece of art. The font is embedded and is an integral part of the art, so anyone receiving the art is unable to extract the font. You can sell it because you have the CU rights to do so.
At this point, the art is now your creative property and, unless there are Creative Commons (or similar) licenses that are also applicable to the original font, you are able to determine the usage of your art piece however you like. So it's now up to you whether someone can use it for CU or not - because it's not that font any more, it's your art. (Something like the Attribution-ShareAlike license from Creative Commons could throw a monkey wrench into things because it requires you to license your work under identical terms as the font you used to create it.)
And then, there are fonts that stipulate no derivative works... and I am not sure how to proceed with an alpha set if the font is under that license. Because I would, personally, consider it a derivative work.

I like to download my fonts strictly from FontSpace because they seem to lay out the licenses pretty well. Otherwise, when in doubt, contact the original creator of the font and see what they have to say. If they give you permission, then obviously you're fine. And if you don't every get a response, I'd keep copies of your attempts for clarification and then go ahead with it - it seems to me that if you can show that you put forth good effort to get clarification but do not then you should be ok ... BUT, as I said, I am not a lawyer and I sometimes have a twisted sense of justice (... or else the world does), so don't take my advice as fact.

And, you might just pop into a lawyer's office for some free advice, too. Quite a few of them do that and they would give a better, more definitive clarification on the issue (hopefully). lol. smiley

How I understand it is if it is a CU licensing it has to be treated as a CU licensing and not something other than they way they licensed the font same applies with share alike license or a PU licensing must be kept under their terms even if you modify or distribute the font the licensing of the font remains the same terms under the conditions they put out.

So if you put out an altered free CU font like I did (which is Sofia) and turned it into your own art it's still a CU altered font and can be redistributed as such because it was originally a CU (that's how I understand it) and although I put a S40/S4h & PU and left out the CU only because I'm not as confident in the licensing itself and I do want to stay on the safe side it technically it is a CU and I don't mind if it was treated as such and they are not as restricted as I've made it sound. A free CU from a paid CU may/may not have the same terms or conditions where as the font I mentioned requires that you put their terms of license/include their license into your licensing crediting is not required because the license itself is already included in the package.

Another Example: If I downloaded Marissa Lerins product under the CU terms and made a whole new kit with those CU stuff I'd put in my own terms and add credited of Merissa Lerin products that may or may have not been used in this kit. Although it may not be required based on her terms.

A share-a-like license (which makes more sense to me) is stipulated as following their specific terms meaning you fully incorporate their terms as it is into or apart of your terms, you do have to follow their terms to their extent artist or not and a PU is a pu which is non redistributed regardless.

also what I meant by they are not as restrictive as I made it out to sound that meaning you could use their font itself in a vulgar manner or what ever manner because they are not liable of such use vulgar or not or to whatever the content maybe.

@Fran, its funny that you mentioned "sofia" font, because that is the font I used, or it may be different, but I used it in my last kit, I got it from fontsquirrel and looked up its info. It was licensed as SIL Open Font License, which according to what I'm reading about fonts licensed under the SIL Open Font License, sounds like it (the font itself) can be studied, modified, and redistributed itself as long as you don't try to sell it (the font itself), and you have to license the new derivative work (the new font you made from the original font) the same as the original font. Now if you make something out of the font, like an alpha or element, that is "embedding" the font into a document (such as .pdf, .jpg, .png), and in that case, you may use the font any way you like, and license your alpha or new creation (which is the derivative work) any way you want. Here are some of my resources for this: Here and Here:This one is easier to understand:)

So it sounds like it is ok for us to use fonts with the SIL Open Font License, to make an alpha, or element, or whatever and then sell it or give it away as personal or commercial use.

Hi Shelia Reid,

I downloaded the font from fontsquirel as well (there are different types of font Sofia) and I believe fontsquirel is prominently all CU fonts which is not the same as dafont their conditions vary and/or other websites. So, yeah their terms do allow modifications.

On SIL OFL read here Terminology of Different Permits under OFL so in short not all are CU fonts as OFL is just a venue of how to license your font from someone who say does not include a license at all. So if derivative is allowed then it is allowed but that does not mean OFL is all CU/derivative.

edit: Your actually right after reading

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Please note that although the terminology and visual representation of the OFL is based on work by Creative Commons, the OFL is not officially affiliated with Creative Commons.

That was catchy if not sneaky I think I will be going with creative common use..what an oh my moment.

CU means you can use it to create something you are going to sell for personal use...i.e., a personal use kit...the customer purchases this personal use kit from you.

CU4CU means you can use it to create what you like and sell it as a CU item. In other words, you can create an embellishment (or even a kit if you have all CU4CU) and sell it as a CU kit, which the customer can then use to create a kit of their own (for personal use only).

Don't know if I just confused you more...I hope not!

This is all so confusing smiley , lol

and all that confusion was exactly why I didn't/don't think I could ever be a designer. smiley

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This is all so confusing smiley, lol

Same here, Shawna... I think if I make things I might just make them for myself for personal use. Though I'm still determined to make over my part of the December Blog train at some point & re-offer it... A friend told me I should have QC'd it & I was like, what's that? Now I know what she's talking about & am so embarrassed at what I made...

@Lizanne no kidding, had no idea you put "texture" on papers! I took a mentoring class in April/May and it was the best experience EVER! I learned so much and am still learning.

I would love to do something like that - except I use PSP, and I only see stuff like that for Photoshop users... I'm hoping I'll eventually come across a slow-paced class, where you can take things at your speed and as you have time, and is run by someone that is patient with people that don't know the software inside out & may not know all the lingo... smiley