Wicked Part 2 Q#1: Impressions

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Wicked Part 2 Q#1: Impressions

Feel free to talk about anything in the story so far. I'll probably just post a general thread for each part now, until the end when maybe I'll come up with some other questions.

Things to think about

  • How is this second part different from the first.
  • How are the characters developing? Who do you like best? Who don't you like?
  • Any thoughts about where the story is going?
  • Any favorite parts or quotes?

I'm still reading through the second part (school is weighing heavy on me), but it reminds me a lot of high school for myself - a bunch of rich spoilt girls making fun of the creepy girl.

I started enjoying the book a lot more with part 2. The story is a bit rough and none of the characters are super likable, but it's interesting enough that I'm curious to keep going, to see what's going to happen.

I'm curious to see what becomes of Nessarose, since in the first part both sisters were prophesied to do great things, but I can't really figure out what Nessarose is going to do. She seems kind of useless at this point.

I agree Marisa - I much preferred part 2. It flows better. Part 1 is situation centred (the birth - the arrival of the clock etc ) but part 2 is character centred which held my interest more.

Elphaba is so different and we have - as yet - had no explanation of what effected these changes. What happened to the teeth?? When did she start talking to people rather than attacking them? What was her childhood like? She seems far from "wicked" in this section - she seems sensitive and moral and a deep thinker. She is rather withdrawn with a cold front - is this a defence against childhood teasing or is a coping mechanism for living in such a disfunctional family? - possibly a little of both. We aren't told - not yet anyway. There is an annoying tendancy to eeek out certain bits of information long after you wished for them with this author.

I like Boq - he seems semi-normal and I like Dr Dillamond and wish that character had been given more air time.

I thought the author captured certain types of teenagers and school experiences quite well and I enjoyed seeing the conflict within Galinda as she tried to juggle her roomie situation with her desire to be in the in-crowd.

I agree again Marisa - Nessarose does not seem like she has the strength of character to be of significance in world events! She is a bit of a spoilt puppy - possibly overcompensation for her disability? We are given annoyingly little information on her background if she is to become a major player.

Grommetic and Madame Morrible give me the creeps which I am sure is what the author intended. Her masterplan was revealed too early on though. Why tell the girls at that point?

Did anyone else find the final section on the Philosophy Club distasteful and pointless - unless of course the point is revealed at the end of the book (not there yet)?

I wasn't too happy with Elphaba's audience with the wizard either - it seemed naive to think she would change his plans and I did not think she was naive. She showed her hand too early.

In fact those last couple of chapters seem rushed and less thought out somehow.

This whole book seems to be paced weirdly. I'm into part 3 now and it has a totally different feel as well. I won't get into that too much now, since this is just for part 2 discussion, but it's coloring what I think now.

I agree that Elphaba is so different in this part, in fact I had forgotten she was so crazy as a baby until you mentioned it. It's like each part the characters behave like different people. It makes it all feel very disjointed.

I was also confused about the whole "master plot" of Madame Morrible and then the quick trip to the wizard. And then the side plot of the Philosophy Club. It just seems like a bunch of random stuff is happening, and as a reader I have no clue why it's happening or what it means. It seems to me (although I may be wrong) that the book is centered around this idea of the rights of the Animals and the oppressive wizard, but since we hardly meet any Animals or anyone really struggling under the oppressive government, it's makes everything murky.

I guess it's one way to keep readers engaged since even now I have no idea what the book is about or what is going to happen.

I've finished but will try to refrain from discussing later parts until they come up.

I agree with you Marisa, for me part 2 does not sit well with part 1 and they almost do not feel like the same book. I enjoyed most of section 2 but all that stuff at the end did not so much engage me as enrage me - poor plot development LOL

I felt there were 2 major themes (and millions of minor ones) in section 2 - the relationship of Elphie and Galinda and the errosion of the Animal's rights. I agree though - neither were dealt with in sufficient detail to make them strong or satisfying subjects.

I've also finished the book... All the sections differ a lot! I also enjoyed the start of the second part, and also felt that the end was rushed. There are so many open-ended events and situations that are still left unexplained here.
I really enjoyed Dr Dillamond's character and work. The oppression of the Animals is an important topic as segregation has been seen throughout history and all over the world. It is important to consider that it actually happens. Elpheba could relate and took such a strong interest in Dr Dillamond's work because she knew what it felt like to be treated differently because of how she looks.

I think maybe the open ended stuff was for a reason----to sell the next book in the series smiley)

Selling the next book in the series though would require that I wasn't so confused the first time to not want to repeat the experience...we'll see...

I finally finished part 2. It´s still a bit difficult for me to read, but now - and in the beginning/middle of part 3 - I feel really engaged to the book. For me, the story seems to be about the silliness of human relationships: How we are always segregating people because of different things: They are poorer/richer/from other color/gender/"race"/etc, and how people tend to define his "kind" of human beings as the best and how, if they have power, they try to opress what they see as different - are these differences really real? For me, they aren´t.

I´m also intrigued on how that weird child became that clever teenager, and curious to know how Galinda and Elphaba will become who they are in adulthood. I like Boq too, and think that Nessarose is a bit of nonsense - at least for now.